Kevin Ritchie writes about Mark Burnett, and the producer of shows like The Apprentice, and Survivor, used a Campbell quote to help bring him through a pitch with Donald Trump.

He explains in an interview on Real Screen that one’s path in life is never laid out clearly, a lesson from Campbell. This understanding of uncertainty is what kept him calm when Donald Trump told him to show up to his office in ten minutes in order to pitch the idea of Survivor.